Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. The speed of putts is crucial. I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. Hope I did not complicate this any and maybe helped you, Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*--- Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. If you're a true picker, wont make you a digger. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Your previous content has been restored. The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. Callaway MD 3 52 bent to 54 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] Paste as plain text instead, MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By The idea of one ideal spin rate and launch angle for each iron doesnt really make sense to me. The average golfer hits 48 percent of fairways. Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. What amazes me the most is how many golfers will continually spend thousands of dollars on golf equipment but never take the initiative to change those fundamental things that will help them really improve their skills and abilities. The bend overlap in angle iron will be bigger so you need to allow for a 1/2 inch. Here is a quick list of scenarios that might mean that you need to use a flatter lie angle in your clubs: On the flip side, here is a list of situations that might require you to get a more upright lie angle: The best way to get your loft and lie adjusted is by a professional club fitter. After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. I always found it a bit strange that I could be 20-40 yards ahead of some friends yet hit the same distance with mid to short irons. My advice is to get fit as cheaply as you can and find some newer distance irons on Ebay or BST that can fit you. Being a golf club designer and marketer, I certainly know that there are gains to be made in your efficiency by availing yourself of the right modern equipment. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? The 27-year-old made his way onto the top level by virtue of his performance on the Korn Ferry Tour during the combined Covid seasons, and hes doing a great job in honing his craft. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X, In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. It wasn't so much the distance I was concerned with but that I hit it a bit too high with a normal swing and it caused some issues on windy days. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. That would depend on what GI head design you have and to be quite honest the only way to be sure would be to test these irons on a golf radar. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? Thanks everybody for the help! I did this with my current set and the results are great. The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. Theyre selling the clubs by saying that you will hit them longer, yet like you said, many of those whod need the help arent really hitting at least the longer irons any longer. 5 Testers Needed! Oh, and Jason Day is reputed to have bent some of his irons strong and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with ego. It just depends. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. Nick is a Certified Performance Club Fitter at Carl's Golfland in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. I know that for every degree strong I bend it, it will take a degree off the bounce. While you might prefer the overlap, interlock or full-finger style, the hold on the golf club is pretty much the same the upper portion of the grip has to be under the pad of the upper hand and held more in the fingers than the palm of both hands. Required fields are marked *. However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. 1 is somewhere between somewhat important to very important, then the next question has to be. Well-regarded at home, he mixed his time in junior golf with the likes of Min Woo Lee and Curtis Luck, during which he finishedrunner-up at The Players Amateur before winning the elite Porter Cup and being part of the victorious three-man Australian team at the Eisenhower Trophy, played partly at El Chamaleon, scene of the Mayokaba events on the PGA Tour. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead Barring physical limitations, anyone can learn to hold the club properly, and you can practice it anywhere from the sofa in front of your TV to your office while on a call. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. I guess Ill need to have my next irons bent weaker leaving some marks on the blade and hosel. Some people prefer a higher or lower, high- or low-spin ball flight for strategic purposes. A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? Paste as plain text instead, Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. You must log in or register to reply here. I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. This will give you a low-to-mid-range straight shot. You dont need to bend the clubs. I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. If its putting or greenside scoring, spend your time working on those aspects instead of beating balls on the range. So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. The reason this happens has to do with an irons center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an irons COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. My advice would be to start by making sure the lofts are set to manufacturers specs. Bomb and gouge. Sounds like it's a long iron. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. Humans think theyre logical but when it comes down to it (when the wallet hits the counter), they are controlled by feelings, who they wish they could play like and what company has qualities that match their identity. So it doesnt matter to me what loft a golfers 6 iron is, as long as that loft allows a golfer to launch and spin the ball in a way thats ideal for their swing. Your link has been automatically embedded. Great answer Blake. Powered by Invision Community. For you lower swing speed players, go to blades with weaker lofts or better yet go to an old vintage blades with the pitching wedge 52 degrees, and you can hit the ball farther hehe. TM TPx. What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2021, post-MAX changeover), Driver: Tour Edge EXS10.5, set 9.5;weights neutral ||FWs:CallaRogue4W + 7W, Hybrid: Calla Big Bertha OS4H at 22 ||Irons:Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW, Wedges*: Calla MD3:48MD4: 54, 58||Putter:Slotline Inertial SL-583F w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. You must log in or register to reply here. Think about how much this could help golfers from the rough as well. Pros and cons? If you're after a driving iron, I would expect you to use it off the tee for the most part. Generally bending lofts on irons unless you are tweaking them to even out a gap. weight removed), (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. Thats why I recommend that golfers get fit for irons on golf radar by a certified fitter who understands how loft and COG work together in iron design. Upload or insert images from URL. It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". ProV1x-mostly. In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. That's what I did with my 4i: took out the 95 gram KBS shaft and replaced it with a 75-gram SteelFiber 780 HLS hybrid shaft. If you think about it, a flatter lie would be toe down for your swing. There was only an added 2 yards with the stronger lofts of trackman. Even forged clubheads made of the wrong steel . We dont stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.. We dive into a subject we get A LOT of questions about, bending your clubs properly. I reckon for every 1 degree off it takes about 250 off the spin. You hit the golf ball off of the heel of the club often causing the golf ball to hook or pull, You are playing clubs too short for you (again. Im contemplating a set of Mizuno MP-53 irons. Taylor Made tour issue M2 T3 Ozik Matrix 8M3 X That said, people will usually launch clubs higher with a longer shaft length as well, (mechanical advantage/physics) so again, it kind of goes hand in hand with the stronger lofts. Golfers can talk about shafts until they are blue in the face, and different shafts will make a difference in control, feel and sometimes launch and spin. TaylorMade M2 (2016) 9.5* (2* lower) HZRDUS T1100 75g 6.5 (I ran into this today.) Clamp the piece in so only a 1/2 inch below where you want the bend in the angle iron is flush with the top of the vise. Bravo, As a club fitter who deals with players that purchase equipment based on what their ego tells them they need verses the facts this is a breath of fresh air! I dont pretend to be an expert, or even close. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? The lightweight speed designs dont seem to help the everyday golfer from the examples I see out on the course. The Ever Changing Bag! Everyone's comments are super helpful! Just about every club that leaves the factory won't be 100% spot on for loft, manufacturing tolerances are going to throw that out. Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. Thanks! Would they still be ideal? Can someone please discuss the advantages and disadvantages of increasing loft on an iron by 2 degrees? Im also adding a 5 wood to the bag and changing to a 54/60 wedge set-up. When this happens, its usually the result of some type of inconsistency in the metallurgy of the club. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. GolfWRX_Official A flat lie angle is simply when the heel of the golf club is bent so it is higher than the toe. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Lofts don't always come in 4-degree increments. Will it affect offset? I have read that if you bend 1 degree strong you lower the bounce on the iron. So to get the most performance out of each iron, for these low ball hitters, we need to add loft. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Would bending it serve the same result? Generally though as you decrease theloft of a club by one degree, you reduce its bounce a degree at the same time and if you increase the loft by one degree you increase the bounce by a degree. How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW But regardless of the type of change you are trying to make, you also have to be willing to commit to it and suffer the learning period oftentimes you have to get worse (for a while) to get better (permanently). I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. Ping Redwood Anser- the "real deal!". 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? I couldn't agree more, they are a thing of beauty but also of art, it'll change the effect the way the club goes through the turf, I've lost some distance using these because I was hitting the new T-MB which 3 iron went a mile, but the 3 iron in the MB's is what dreams are made of, way easy to hit and launch, I wouldn't want to mess with it, that being said I did increase the lie up 2 degrees for my swing:). Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. By But Im not sure whats being accomplished with weakening irons. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . For example, the first generation M2 5-iron has a loft of 21.5. So, if you really want to get better at golf, start by learning how to hold the club properly. Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. I would be using it off the ground as well, a little of both. The fitter can then analyze a golfers swing pattern and adjust the lie angle accordingly. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. IG: golfer_scott Study those players and mimic their set-up and you will take another giant step toward playing better golf. Thats why I custom order iron sets with lofts that are 1-to-2 degrees weaker than standard about 40 percent of the time. They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. At 100 mph you are obliterating the ground. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. You don't say what club it is, but Rev said it sounds like a long iron and I agree. The industry is run by marketing divisions, who are responsible for stronger lofted irons, in the mistaken belief that lower loft equals more distance. Step 3. By This happens probably most frequently with wedges, when a person wants to play 3 instead of 4 wedges for example. Your previous content has been restored. Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. VokeySM6 Raw- 50F, Scotty Cameron X5R Flow Neck Torched Finish. having a discussion with a friend and we are in disagreement. And yes it is common to not have an iron longer than 6 or 5 for some of these guys because they carry them all the same distance, and then hybrids come into play. And its one of only two elements of the golf swing that require absolutely no physical skills. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. I'm not so much of a digger with long irons, and I thought about getting my rogue 5i bent a degree stronger and not carry a 4. Clear editor. In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. What I havent seen mentioned is that iron shafts have changed a great deal and offer more low kick (higher launch/spin) options to be able to match with those lofts. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. Upload or insert images from URL. Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. The reason this happens has to do with an iron's center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an iron's COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. More photos from the event here. weight removed), Ball:1. Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. The basic fundamentals of striking a golf ball have not changed nearly as much as golf club technology, and those fundamentals have their roots dating back a hundred years to Bobby Jones and his peers or even further. There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient.

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